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[Joseph Atwill] ↠´ Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus [couture PDF] Ebook Epub Download æ It s extremely difficult for me to judge the truth accuracy of the reasoning in this book because I don t think I have enough expertise on 1st Century Roman history But of all the attempts to uncover the origins of christianity this book presents one of the most plausible explanations that I m aware of Probably a minority of people think as I do that Jesus of the New Testament is a mythological character NOT an actual historical figure And probably the majority within that minority believe that the myth was originally created by Jews in opposition to Roman rule THIS book represents a minority within the minority as it presents the idea that the jesus myth was created by a group of Roman rulers as a false rallying point for messianic Jews in order to pacify and subdue their resistance to Roman rule So it s expected that this book would not be well received, not just by christian apologetics, but by many non believers as well since it challenges to the core what the vast majority of people believe about the christianity Other notesI think it helps to be familiar with the Machiavellian view of how political power operates in order to appreciate the critique in this book.
The unfortunate comparison to the Da Vinci code is understandable as a back cover marketing tactic, but it s a little misleading as it banalizes the subject matter here.
The premise of the book was intriguing, but it s execution was horrible Atwill uses slippery language some believe who exactly is left unanswered and fallacious arguments, despite his profession of logic For example, when trying to reconcile the 4 Gospels, he says only those able to think intelligently and logically 135 135 will get the comedy of errors 142 He then abandons implicit insults and comes right out with ad hominems Only those who are illogical will believe that the passages indicate that Jesus rose from the dead 142.
And how does he solve the contradictions within his own logical explanation By requiring the reader to believe another set of facts in this case, that Mary Magdalene is 4 separate women, one in each Gospel in order for his interpretation to work In other words, in order to accept his conclusion that the Gospels are one story, you have to resolve the contradictions surrounding Mary by seeing that she s not the same person in each Gospel she s a different woman in each story And how do we know this Because the Gospels are one story the conclusion to his argument That s known as Begging the Question in the world of logical fallacies Basing a conclusion on an assumption that is as much in need of proof or demonstration as the conclusion itself.
Of course, Atwill also claims that Titus and company invented Jesus and thus Christianity Titus parallel events begin in 66 67 CE So how did Nero persecute non existent Christians in 64 CE as recorded by Tacitus Unsurprisingly, Atwill cherry picks the passages related by Tacitus.
Atwill also stretches definitions to make his parallels work For example, he cites the Bible s phrase of fishers of men and compares it to a sea battle where Romans in boats killed some Jews in the water Clearly, then, the Romans are fishers of men and the two are equivalent in the great cosmic joke of Christianity But if you disagree, you re being illogical and aren t smart enough to get it The most absurd thing is that this book is actually going to be made into a documentary.
Full Disclosure I was raised Catholic but am no longer a practicing Christian I had no assumptions bias before reading this book, only an interest in what he had to say.
I would have to say that I m slightly biased in my religious background to review this book fairly I have to say that I grew up forced to read the Bible cover to cover into my mid twenties I even took a Christian Bible based tour through the Promised Land to see the scrolls and locations including Masada I was raised believing the scriptures to be literally the word straight from god Anyways, I m currently an atheist, I have always felt the Bible had a dark secret it was keeping, and now I thank Atwill for clearly pointing it out I have never read anything like the critical analysis Caesar s Messiah gives, he absolutely vivisects the Bible by using the book of Josephus to do so It s brilliant and fascinating The New Testament is a dark satire engineered by the Roman Flavian Dynasty to contort the Jewish religion and rebellion, and make a mockery of their symbols and prophecies I wasn t sure if I bought Atwill s first couple examples but follow him to the end and his findings are absolutely compelling The 2,000 year old puzzle is solved, the Bible New Testament is a bogus joke, but a clever one Now I only wish my crazy religious family would read this book.
Tunnel VisionWhat Atwill attempts with his work is commendable and deserves five stars just for his attempt to conquer such a monumental topic However, the author is so engaged to prove his hypothesis that he not only ignores suggestions to the contrary but also misses that he actually would have been onto discovering something truly exciting Looking beyond the shortcomings, researchers can thus find in this book valuable insights into a possible composition mechanism of the New Testament, although not the one presented by the author Perhaps Cesar s Messiah could be interesting for lovers of conspiracy theories or for anti religionists Instead, the rather complex work commands such high attention to detail and the capacity to absorb and distinguish between an onslaught of individual names and historic events that I doubt it reaching beyond popular polemics Atwill starts with a historical rundown that costs him a star If he wants to clear up the history of Jesus Christ, first he should realign the history of the Jews and the history of Roman dominance in Judea While he notices the royal implications on the Roman side, he seems unable to grasp what is really at stake At times, Atwill does not seem to distinguish one group from another He does not seem to recognize that the Romans may have already tried to exert control over Judaism with the construction of Herod s Temple long before the Flavians came to power Jesus, as imaginary as he may be, happened to be a Roman who also believed in the religion of Judaism a Jew who was a Roman There is a glimmer of hope in a few pages of one of the last chapters 15 where the author starts to explore an interesting avenue But then, as throughout the book, Atwill insists on the Flavians having created Jesus This is an assumption that I am unable to logically duplicate, even with the best of wills, and even if I had desperately wanted to I accept that Jesus did not exist in the first century and that his path may at times be shaped after Titus, and I suspect a different Flavian Jewish conspiracy being pulled from behind the scene But his case is all circumstantial and is in need of at least one solid anchor that is beyond doubt Atwill probably misses the most important hints at his flawed theory the destruction of the Temple was an accident, and the Maccabees had already been in bed with the Flavians before the war.
Atwill does not seem to be interested in the internal and external enemies of Jerusalem or of Rome and does thus not see who allied with whom and what their motives might have been It sometimes appears as if the author did not even study his own sources in full Otherwise, he could not have missed that the New Testament, without ever spelling it out loud, preaches against everything that was dear to the Roman culture It even commands its disciples to send the taxes to Jerusalem, not to Rome, if one were to apply Atwill s frame of thought That the Flavians would have signed off on this is unlikely unless the power game is in a sphere of the unimaginable, but the author is not bothered with an alternative scenario that would obviously change the odds of his case dramatically Further, Atwill has probably not studied the progression of Judaic beliefs into Eastern Christianity and Islam, even though he hints at some street smarts Many of his arguments are rendered futile by the persistence of such opposing religious creeds For example, while Islam accepts John the Baptist, Mary, and Jesus, it refutes the crucifixion and the divinity of Jesus as understood in the West and offers a different avenue for the Holy Spirit through his mother Thus, parallelisms with the crucifixion to prove that Titus invented Jesus must be so problematic that another star needs to be taken off The author also ignores document histories Forgers were smart enough to use the writing styles and fonts of the target time and to put their works on old parchments Atwill himself brags with Titus s ability to forge any signature Hence, the opinions of classical paleographical experts over the existence of the Gospels are worthless in an environment of total silence about Christianity deep into the second century other than some dubious works that refer to Christ but not to Jesus The books that were created after the four Gospels are evenproblematic, and their origin might lie centuries out, making his upcoming work about a connection between Paul, Revelation, and Domitian so questionable that I will not bother Even Nero s persecutions lead through Chrestos, a term that perhaps indicates a Mithrianic movement rather than a Christian Of course, Nero could not have been angry at Christians if Titus came to invent this sect If then Atwill argues with the supposed works of Paul who also find parallels in Josephus , he creates a house of cards Better yet, the author debunks himself when stating that Christianity flourished while Josephus wrote Wars of the Jews It would then follow that Josephus must have copied from the Gospels to bring them in alignment Where are the traces of Christianity in Rome from the first century or in Pompey As the author reports, one of Jesus s prophecies was that his followers would be named after him Jesus s followers were first known as The Way Hence, the sectarian designation comes from the point of view of a firmly established Christianity since it also breaks with all naming conventions of Judaic sects from before the war Sadducees, Hasmonean, Idumeans, Zealots, Sicarii, Rabbinic Judaism, Sabeans Ebionites, Samaritans, and Essenes , all of which expect the Christ their messiah to come and save them Each could have morphed into Christianity Moreover, the Sabeans which translate into baptizers only adopted Christianity in the third century Before, John the Baptist was their prophet, and they did not know of Jesus, the Christ and Messiah On the other hand, Atwill uses writers that are centuries removed from the action to prove his point Tertullian, for example, is so heavily redacted, and has supposedly changed hatsthan once, that we cannot be sure what he believed in, if anything He even advocated opposing core doctrines about Jesus s nature in one and the same book Augustine, too, had supposedly converted from Manicheanism, which is comparable to Archbishop Borgoglio of Buenos Aires declaring himself Imam Eusebius is even worse Without him, we have pretty much nothing about early Christianity, and he is generally accepted as a fraudster Why did only Eusebius understand the methodology when every Rabbi before him should have immediately gotten the message By throwing just about any similarity at the reader, Atwill s approach is comparable to how the history of the church has been composed While modern researchers are trying to untangle these webs, Atwill does not contribute much to this difficult process TheAtwill adds new sources, theobvious his tunnel vision becomes Researchers need to have the courage to experiment and publish versions that are not watertight However, this one goes so much too far that another star needs to be removed Probably one of his worst flaws and the reason for striking down the fourth star is the insistence on the New Testament and Josephus being the interdependent work of the same hand He goes as far as taking the passages that refer to Jesus Christ in Josephus as authentic and sets out to prove that they are part of a three pillar temple argument However, the verbiage of the text is undoubtedly post Constantine details can be looked up in my work, The Great Leap Fraud, Vol I from page 225 226 these pages are available online on books.
google The LEGALITY of Jesus s divinity, as addressed in the text, came to fruition in the sixth century None of the author s sources indicate that there are not other possibilities, in particular when considering that both, the New Testament and Josephus according to Atwill , knew of Jesus Christ, but Qumran, which he also superficially uses as evidence, does not know of this messiah Instead of an intermix, there is obviously also a sequence to be taken into consideration Logical thinkers should be able to recognize that real events lie before the prophesy Josephus s passages do not refer to Jesus s prophetic power and are thus absent of one of Attwill s central arguments Even if one were to accept them as authentic, all of Jesus s details remain in the Gospel and not in Josephus, still indicating a sequence Moreover, the presence of Epaphroditus as an addressee in both works suggests a deliberate machination that was made to look like the New Testament being dependent on Josephus, rather than being interdependent The problem with any sequence is that it crushes Atwill s hypothesis The author recognizes that the Flavians were pontiffs He also identifies that the first pope used the same terminology for his title However, he neither sees the obvious and intolerable competition between the high priests of differing religions in Rome nor the paradox that Rome and not Jerusalem would become the seat of the Catholic Pontiff The author would have been better off to focus on delivering a foundation of the parallelisms between Josephus and the Gospels without venturing into the jungle of declaring Titus as the Jesus champion of the Roman world Such a work, together with computer based style analysis, would have brought forth truly inspiring discoveries about the relations between these works It would not only have been popular and sensational on its own, it would have truly contributed to the understanding of the murky mechanisms of religion Perhaps, he would have found a mathematical key to the composition of the scripture and could have demonstrated that it was the intention of the Gospels to be put in parallel to Josephus and Titus Researchers may recognize an opportunity to reverse engineer, realign, and expand on Atwill s work without ever having to give him credit Not a single one of Atwill s parallels can logically be connected to Titus being Jesus vs Titus in Josephus being a model for Jesus , and all of them are merely circular, if not the exact opposite of the author s claims If not before, the plot finally falls apart where Christians did not recognize for two millennia that they had worshipped Titus What is the purpose of the deception if Titus or later Domitian does not end up as the undisputed and universally accepted King of the Jews in his lifetime I am sorry, I truly wanted to give it five stars for trying but I cannot.
A very thought provoking book Since I already had a basic knowledge of John Allegro s work with the Dead Sea scrolls, I found this book very interesting It certainly explains how a religion with a solid foundation in the Torah and rabbinical tradition, does not have a single historical document or other contemporary account written in Aramaic or Hebrew Ironically all accounts by Jesus Jewish apostles were recorded in Latin or Greek, who with the exception of Paul probably had very little knowledge of Greek or Latin It also explains why the new religion rather than following the egalitarian Jewish tradition based on logic and argument became a hierarchical system based on the Roman Emperor and Senate SPOILER WARNING Christians who are afraid of questioning the foundations of their faith could become very upset by this book The book is an analysis of the origins of Christianity as a Roman state sponsored religion In a remarkably innovative bit of close textual analysis he demonstrates that Josephus Jewish War, and the New Testament were joint works written to mutually support one another Taken together the New Testament makes prophecies about the downfall of Judaism and Josephus portrays the apparently miraculous acting out of the manufactured prophecies The author reveals dozens of close thematic and chronological parallels between the two books leading to the conclusion that the New Testament is a satire on the campaigns of Titus and Vespasian to crush the Jews This explains why it contains little other than anti semitic poison and platitudes to justify subjugation to Ceasar From the very introduction of the Xmas story the aim is to show that Jesua and his family were good loyal Roman taxpayers traveling all the way to Bethlehem to be taxed even though, living in Galilee they were not really liable to pay Roman taxes at all The author makes a strong case, but suffers from a slightly repetitive style Well worth close study though.
Caesar S Messiah, A Real Life Da Vinci Code, Presents The Dramatic And Controversial Discovery That The Conventional Views Of Christian Origins May Be Wrong Author Joseph Atwill Makes The Case That The Christian Gospels Were Actually Written Under The Direction Of First Century Roman Emperors The Purpose Of These Texts Was To Establish A Peaceful Jewish Sect To Counterbalance The Militaristic Jewish Forces That Had Just Been Defeated By The Roman Emperor Titus InADAtwill Uncovered The Secret Key To This Story In The Writings Of Josephus, The Famed First Century Roman Historian Reading Josephus S Chronicle, The War Of The Jews, The Author Found Detail After Detail That Closely Paralleled Events Recounted In The Gospels Atwill Skillfully Demonstrates That The Emperors Used The Gospels To Spark A New Religious Movement That Would Aid Them In Maintaining Power And Order What S , By Including Hidden Literary Clues, They Took The Story Of The Emperor Titus S Glorious Military Victory, As Recounted By Josephus, And Embedded That Story In The Gospels A Sly And Satirical Way Of Glorifying The Emperors Through The Ages A bit difficult to get through thus far as the book reads like a thesis, but highly interesting subject matter.
I have no knowledge here I am taking it as read that he isn t distorting the text or choosing versions to suit his case whilst ignoring others, on the perhaps ropey assumption that he wouldn t get away with it If anyone knows any different than please let me know His main technique seems to be reading the various descriptions of events side by side and so spotting variations on a theme in stories that at first glance are not related He concentrate on the concepts and timelines of he stories rather than exact phrasing, names of characters in them or exact locations He claims this was a recognised literary technique or device of the time to encrypt meanings for those in the know I don t know if this is true Any ideas how to check it out He generates a logical explanation for the many coincidences so revealed based upon politics and otherwise known methods of the Romans of the time No statistical analyses of the size of most of the various coincidences, with one exception.
He makes sense of contradiction in the four gospels re Easter Sunday by combining them, reveals they are each others angels and it was Tomb of Lazarus he and calculates 1 in 254 million chance of the four stories combining logically without contradiction But he does this by assuming his is the only alternative internally consistent narrative I think he is ignoring other ways the tale can be told and so this perhaps reduces his odds by a factor of a hundred or a thousand But still impressively slim odds On reflection I m frustrated If this was science I could read review papers Even in areas of dispute I could get an overview But the reviews I have read suggest a huge range of ideas, all convincing to their authors and some followers Can anyone suggest a work giving a overview of the field At times it read too much like at academic thesis, and was hard to sit through for long periods of time However, there were some very compelling theories and ideas that make sense I d love to see this vetted by another biblical scholar and other works on the topic The Bible after all was written by human hands so there isn t a large leap of faith for me to understand it as a propaganda piece to pacify a violent group of religious zealots The ironic parallels presented between New Testament and that of War of the Jews were mostly convincing But, his language at times seemed self defeating and less assertive than it should been Certainly, with the amount of time required to compose a work like this it should besharply presented, with clear arcs of ideas outlining methodology and conclusion Worth the time if you re curious though, it s compelling.